没有人在中国喜欢D3D12？

wu_chung_tang

aiiaib 发表于 2016-5-15 13:01
we CANT use youtube and google because of government issues instead of we don't like to use them.A ...

Well, aiiaib, I know what you feel at the moment, however it's not just the "government"'s business, as it's not fair to simply say "people in China all like it but the communist". Just look at millions of Chinese people are taking public servant tests, dreaming of becoming the officials you and I dislike.

In terms of English language, there's no right or wrong, it really depends on what kind of life you enjoy and what type person you are. Yes my wife doesn't need English for her life, but I for instance, enjoying the cutting-edge tech (just reading the pdf version of introduction to 3d game programming with DX12), and like to read magazines like Scientific American or Computer Graphics World before sleep, besides I read Fluid Mechanics in my spare time (which I didn't study in the collage), and later on plan to read though General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, I frankly haven't find any remarkable need to use Chinese language in my life.

Since you mention Japan, I did have experience working in Japan (Fujitsu Semiconductor), while I had a chance to discuss the language use in technologies with Japanese peers, one guy (still my friend for now) boasted that, among the books in electronics/computer science, Japanese should have been used most widely following English. Nonetheless, I said, it still takes time before the Japanese translation can be published, in other words why not read the original English edition in the first place? That's also one of the reason I eventually didn't choose to live in Japan, I wish to embrace the world with the scientific language of the whole world, rather than a regional culture.

wu_chung_tang

BTW, just like to see the effect of google translate again:

好吧，aiiaib，我知道你是什麼感覺的那一刻，但它不只是“政府”的業務，因為它是不公平的簡單地說“中國人都喜歡它，但共產主義”。只要看看億萬中國人正在公僕測試，成為官員，你在做夢，我不喜歡。

在英語方面，有沒有對錯，這真的取決於你喜歡什麼樣的生活，你是什麼類型的人。是我的妻子不為她的生活需要英語，但我舉例來說，享受前沿科技（只是閱讀介紹3D遊戲編程DX12的PDF版本），喜歡讀像美國科學或計算機圖形學雜誌睡覺前的世界，除了我讀了我的業餘時間流體力學（我沒有在拼貼學習），以及後來的計劃，雖然廣義相對論和量子力學閱讀，坦白說，我還沒有發現任何顯著的需要使用中國語言在我的生命。

既然你提到日本，我也有經驗，在日本（富士通半導體）的工作，而我有機會討論與日本同行的技術語言的使用，一個人（還是我的朋友現在）誇口說，在電子圖書中/計算機科學，日本應該使用最廣泛的英文。儘管如此，我說，還需要時間的日語翻譯，然後才能發布，換句話說，為什麼不擺在首位讀英文原版？這也是我最終沒有選擇住在日本的原因之一，我希望與全世界的科學語言，而不是一個區域文化擁抱世界。

wu_chung_tang

I have to say, pretty bad translation. 我不得不說，非常糟糕的翻譯。

aiiaib

没法删除，只能编辑了

wu_chung_tang

aiiaib 发表于 2016-5-18 09:58
The translations like shit XD
I don't think you REALLY understand what I mean in government topic,f ...

Concerning your safety in that fearful society, I don't want to talk about your great party any more.

Having said, whether or not you need English depends on what type of person you are, and I'm bet you don't belong to kinda of people enjoying watching CCAV~~  As a rational man, I just need a useful language, tell me what I can do with Mandarin then, reading Mao's spirit?

Japan has already lagged behind the west since the last two decades, not just in video game industry, as a result, Japanese tech people are becoming more humble (even more than they used to), I knew peers who try to read latest material in English as well. Bare in mind it's no longer 1990s or early 2000s, despite the fact that even today, Japan still in a sense charms westerners due to its "soft power", rather than technological advancements.

Another reason I don't like Japanese is, while still being a powerful language used in science/tech, there's virtually no such types of ebook written in Japanese we can easily acquire over Internet.

ennuma

wu_chung_tang 发表于 2016-5-19 14:11
Concerning your safety in that fearful society, I don't want to talk about your great party any mo ...

If Chinese government think game industry is important, china can catch up to latest within 2 years... To be honest, this industry is not deep at all. All the corner stone papers are out there for study purpose and it is easy to read. I don't get why you think chinese is not a language  rational human should use. It is a very useful and popular language now days by all means.

天下驹神

Most chinese take "usefull" not "interest" as the first consider point before they decide to do one thing. We have to do this, because everyone living in chinese society has big pressure. As you know, China has so many people, the competition is extremly fierce in every vocation.
In China, There is few companies interested in developing game engine, in opposite,  these companies prefer using exsiting and fantastic game engine such as unity & unreal to develop their games. As a result, we programmers prefer to talk about game engine using because once we are skilled at some game engine, many companies would like to employ us then we could get a good salary. Though we spend a lot of time on low-level graphic programming, it is useless to promote our life equality because few companies need their programmer use d3d to develop game engines. Of course, for a game programmer, its better to know d3d, but its not necessary, I mean, learning game engine using has a higher priority then learing d3d.
For most chinese, before they do something, they will ask themselves, "Is it usefull to raise my salary?" If yes, "then do it !"  If no, "Oh, stop wasting time on it !"
PS:I am interested in d3d programming too

wu_chung_tang

ennuma 发表于 2016-6-16 08:53
If Chinese government think game industry is important, china can catch up to latest within 2 year ...

Still you doubt why Chinese is less useful? I wonder what tech material are you reading everyday? I already mentioned I realized that when in the first shader programming API was released as part of Direct3D 8.0 in 2001. For now, are you able to learn to program with D3D12 with Chinese?

wu_chung_tang

天下驹神 发表于 2016-6-21 20:18
Most chinese take "usefull" not "interest" as the first consider point before they decide to do one  ...

That's right and the gap between Chinese and Western tech people is increasingly growing, compared to the time when I was in China.

If you visit the well-known game-dev.net, you would see people there are hotly discussing the latest technologies, that's the big difference.

You are saying most Chinese care about profit (or salary/money in your words) because of the pressure. Well many of them are still behaving like that after migrating to overseas. That's been a kind of culture already, which I dislike.

Chinese favor money alone, those successful examples, Jack Ma, Baidu, Tencent, right, they really succeeded in terms of money, but who regards them as tech giants? Nobody ever compares them to NVIDIA/Microsoft/AMD/Sony Computer Entertainment

天下驹神

wu_chung_tang 发表于 2016-6-22 16:09
That's right and the gap between Chinese and Western tech people is increasingly growing, compared ...

Chinese society is sick, because Chinese goverment is sick.
“一切以经济建设为中心”, this is the most important policy of Chinese goverment, this policy means “no matter what you do, you must must take 'making money' as the first consider point”."黑猫白猫，抓到老鼠的就是好猫." This sentence means "no matter who you are and what you do, as long as you could make more  money,  you are a succesfull guy." Influenced by these damn policies, Chinese society has sick."Even you have technology, but you have no money, then you are a fucking loser." Most people think so, event the damn goverment agree to this ridiculous opinion.
We normal people cant change the goverment and the environment, so we have to adapt ourselves to this society. That is why you see those phenomena you feel confused before.